Friday, March 15, 2024

Season 3, Episode 6: 

Our Home, Our Story – Black Women Impacting Health Equity in Mississippi

In this episode, we’re talking with Dr. Nakeitra Burse about how we, as Black women, are impacting maternal health and health equity right here in Mississippi, the place we call home.

Season 3, Episode 6: Our Home, Our Story - Black Women Impacting Health Equity in Mississippi

by Dr. Joyee Washington and Dr. Nakeitra Burse

Introduction

Welcome to the Public Health Joy Podcast — the safe space for real and honest conversations about what it takes to transform public health research into life-changing solutions for our communities.

I’m your host, Dr. Joyee, a public health researcher, PhD survivor, and entrepreneur. In today’s episode, we’re talking with Dr. Nakeitra Burse about how we, as Black women, are impacting maternal health and health equity right here in Mississippi, the place we call home.

This is the joy ride you’ve been waiting for. Join us as we revolutionize public health through research done … with … for … and BY our communities. Together, let’s create our Public Health Joy!

Notes

If you work in public health, then you are no doubt aware that, statistically, Black women are three to four times more likely to die from birth-related complications than their white counterparts.

And while it’s important to understand the reasons behind these unacceptable and heartbreaking numbers, the more pressing question is: what is being done about it?

Joining Dr. Joyee Washington on the podcast today is her friend and colleague, Dr. Nakeitra Burse to talk about how they, and other Black women like themselves, are working to improve maternal and health equity in Mississippi — the place they call home.

Dr. Burse is the CEO of Six Dimensions, a public health consulting company that aims to create strategic, sustainable, and innovative solutions in public health with a focus on health equity and social justice. She is also a Wood Johnson Foundation Culture of Health Leader.

We use today’s conversation with Dr. Burse to delve into the state of Maternal health in Mississippi, the importance of building greater health equity, and the work being done by, and for, communities in Mississippi. You’ll also learn about Six Dimensions’ training, development, and outreach programs; what equity looks like in everyday practice; how we can do research that prioritizes communities, not just academics; and much more. 


To connect with Guest:

Dr. Nakeitra Burse on LinkedIn

Dr. Nakeitra Burse on X

Dr. Nakeitra Burse on Instagram

Links mentioned in this episode: 

Six Dimensions

Six Dimensions Linktree

Six Dimensions on Instagram

Six Dimensions on X

Six Dimensions on Facebook

Six Dimensions on LinkedIn

Six Dimensions Miles for Mamas 5K

Two Mississippi Museums

Fannie Lou Hamer

For more information on transforming public health research into positive community impact, visit https://joyeewashington.com

Key Points

  • Introducing today’s guest, Dr. Nakeitra Burse, the focus of her work, and how she founded her public health consulting company, Six Dimensions. [0:29]
  • Why Six Dimensions is transitioning into becoming a nonprofit. [02:19]
  • An overview of Six Dimensions’ Health and Racial Equity in Maternal Care course and their outreach efforts. [03:41]
  • Why Dr. Burse chose to stay, work, and live in Mississippi. [06:49]
  • Asking what equity looks like in everyday practice and taking the steps to build it. [10:37]
  • Visiting the Two Mississippi Museums, the history depicted there, and how it relates to public health equity. [15:51]
  • Maternal health in Mississippi and how Dr. Burse got started working in this area. [19:50]
  • The healthcare solutions that are being driven by Black women in Mississippi. [25:58]
  • Protecting your community when research is being done. [27:47]
  • What brings Dr. Burse joy in her work: seeing Black women happy and safe in their births, pregnancies, and maternal health care outcomes. [31:53]
  • Where you can find Six Dimensions online and details on their upcoming 5K walk. [34:10]

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TRANSCRIPT:

[INTERVIEW]

[0:01:02.0] JW: Welcome to another great episode of The Public Health Joy Podcast. So, today, we have with us Dr. Nakeitra Burse, who is a native Mississippian like myself, and she is also the CEO of Six Dimensions, a public health consulting company and she is also a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Culture of Health Leader. Now, we know that black women are three to four times more likely to die from birth-related complications than their white counterparts.

 

Dr. Burse works to address this issue by creating strategic, sustainable, and innovative solutions with a focus on health equity and social justice while ensuring that black maternal health research is community-driven and focused on positive health outcomes, and Dr. Burse and I actually work with one another, so we are very familiar with one another. I don’t remember how we met, I think somebody referred me to you.

 

[0:02:05.8] NB: Yup, someone referred you to me.

 

[0:02:07.0] JW: Yeah, so we have been able to work together and do some great things but I am going to turn it over to you, the floor is yours. Tell the folks who you are, what you do, and what you got going on.

 

[0:02:19.5] NB: Yeah, well first, thank you for inviting me on. I’m excited to just speak on your podcast and have a good conversation, not just about maternal health but I guess, equity in this bigger picture or bigger context of the conversation and so yes, as you did mention, Six Dimensions, we’re actually in a transition. So, we are transitioning much of our work to nonprofit and that is just because we feel like we can have a bigger on-the-ground impact in the maternal health space through being a nonprofit. 

 

And so, on the other side of that, we are still doing consulting work around health equity, social justice, evaluation in the maternal health space. So, we are in this little awkward transition and we feel like we go through these transitions maybe every year, every few years but I have learned that that is okay. And so just what we do under this big umbrella of maternal health, research and much of our work around research is qualitative research. 

 

So, listening to stories of black women, listening and centering their voices in the conversation, and then, using those voices, conversations to help build strategies, programs that will translate over to community and hopefully translate to outcomes. The other piece of what we do is training and development. So, we have piloted a course over the past three years. We designed it, piloted it and now we’re getting ready to move to another phase. 

 

But the course is Health and Racial Equity in Maternal Care, and it’s designed for students in school and so that’s public health practitioners, aspiring medical professionals, social workers, and nurses as well, and so it really takes the learner on a historical journey from the black woman’s first introduction to the healthcare system in this western kind of method of medicine and how all those historical events impact maternal health outcomes today.

 

And our goal with that is to not just give that historical perspective but to also take the learner on this internal journey around their own biases, their own prejudice and hopefully give them strategies to move forward in their work, in an equitable way. So that when they touch black women, they are understanding that black women come with many pieces, and all people come that way but our black journey I think is a little bit more unique in certain ways. 

 

And so, that’s – we are moving to a new phase with that as well. Outreach, we’re always trying to show up in the community, provide resources in the community, and advocate for policies that can improve maternal health outcomes.

 

[0:05:11.2] JW: There are so many things that you said, and one of the things that I wanted to mention is, especially with us being public health entrepreneurs, right? We are able to evolve in our businesses and being able to do it in a way that meets the needs of our communities. I feel like that’s a powerful piece of being an entrepreneur because when you are an employee of somebody else’s company, the company may be making business decisions, right? 

 

Financial decisions, whereas when we are entrepreneurs, we’re making some of those business and financial decisions too, but we can also have the freedom and the flexibility to be able to say, “Hey, we need to make this shift in our business and what we’re doing because we want to be able to make a greater impact, a greater positive impact in our communities.” And so, I think that’s so important that you’re shifting, you know, your business model in order to meet the needs of the community. 

 

So, I think that that is powerful, and then the other thing that I wanted to mention is the reflection piece, right? And you mentioned, of course, black women, we have so many dimensions to our stories, right? So many things that influence why we are the way we are, why we do what we do, and so that reflection piece is super important in the work that we do but also how we build relationships with our communities, how we make certain decisions, how we move in the world, right? And that I love being a black woman. I’m going to just say it, I love being a black woman.

 

[0:06:47.3] NB: Absolutely, I wouldn’t choose anything else.

 

[0:06:49.0] JW: Absolutely not, and with that reflection piece is like, one of the things that I tend to reflect on all the time is people say – and I’m going to ask you this question too, but people will be like, “You’re from Mississippi? You from the south? You still there? Why are you there?” And so, I have my own reason but I’m going to ask you, why Mississippi? Why stay here?

 

[0:07:16.4] NB: Yeah, so, I’ll say, years ago, probably like undergrad, I would say, “Oh yeah, I want to live in another place, I want to you know, do these other things, experience these other things.” But this work, this type of work, public health, health equity, there’s a space for it and I mean, there is a grand need in Mississippi and I’m not saying that I’m the person to change everything around but I think that my work is here.

 

And not just my work, this is home, and it is home and my family in this, that’s a big part of the decision. My family, my kids, I’ll need to be able to get a babysitter real quick, and so that’s a part of it and I do prefer when just my day-to-day living to be a more of the slower, southern pace than you know, any other city but really, when it comes to the work and my husband does work in kind of in the space but in the technology and education space and so, there is a great need for that too. 

 

And we just feel like our work and principles and vision align with trying to really move Mississippi forward and then a lot of what happens too is, we – our talent leaves. My talent leaves and because they’re pursuing larger salaries, more opportunities and that’s understandable but one of my goals is to try to not just keep talent here but to create spaces where our talent and we can grow the public health workforce for us, specifically in maternal health. 

 

To be able to try to grow that workforce, not just with like training and education and information in a mentorship but around salaries, living wage, and being able to create the life that you want to create right there in Mississippi.

 

[0:09:06.9] JW: And those are some of the same reasons why I have stayed as well and I tell people all the time like, “Be my Kenpo.”

 

[0:09:16.3] NB: Yup.

 

[0:09:17.0] JW: Like, we’re going to be staying here like, and the thing is, my ancestors were here, right? Whether they were, at some point, they were forced here, right? And then, at some point, it became home, right? And it may not have been the home that we chose but it’s the home that we made our own out of the situation, out of the pain, out of the trauma, and there are so many. 

 

While Mississippi gets a bad rep, you know that there are lots of health challenges in Mississippi for sure but there are so many things to love about Mississippi. So many things to love about being home and the people of Mississippi is one of the things that I love the most.

 

[0:10:07.6] NB: Yeah, I agree. I really agree and I honestly don’t think – and maybe I could have an impact somewhere else but I don’t – I think my greatest impact is living here. I do a lot of work outside of the state but to be able to live here, do the work, and just in my little bubble of influence or whatever, shed any light to Mississippi or bring any attention to Mississippi. So, I feel like that’s another reason that I need to stay in this space.

 

[0:10:37.2] JW: And that lived experience is critical in our work because like you said, people leave and we get why people leave but if we really want to see progress, true change, moving forward, we got to have some people who can stay here, and who really understand what it’s like to live here, and not just live here, we’re not talking about living here for a couple of years, you know, where you came from. 

 

You came from Montana or Chicago or wherever, but like, people who actually grew up here, born and raised here, lives here, you know, I can tell you what school I went to, you know exactly where it is. You know, if I tell you what church I grew up in, you know exactly where it is and who the pastor was in 1996 or whatever it was, and so there are so many things that can connect us to help us build this relationship towards how do we move in the direction of achieving equity. 

 

And so, we talk about this health equity thing all the time, right? And in conversations and I know, you and I, we talked about this actually earlier today, about how health equity is this thick thing, right? This big thing that we’re always trying to achieve, always trying to strive for, when in actuality, we actually never seen it in its true form, and so it’s like we’re chasing something that we have no idea what to expect, and what it really means to see it in action. 

 

But if we could take a moment and start thinking about what does equity look like in everyday practice? What are some of those things that shows up in our relationships with our family members, that shows up in our relationships with our church members, our community members, or our colleagues, peers? What are some of those things that really show up when it comes to equity and how do we take some of those smaller steps to achieve that bigger dream of what equity looks like?

 

And I think part of that is making – the smaller step for me is making the decision to stay here in Mississippi.

 

[0:12:49.9] NB: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and with that, this big conversation about equity, I look at it as, so our ancestors or in those civil rights leaders, you know, pretty much from civil rights movement passed that baton off to us because there was a big fight for equality and you know, integration and all those things and so then – and if you think about MLK and like, kind of some of his last things, he talked about, “I fear I’ve led my people into a burning building” when it comes to this concept of like, integration and equality.

 

And so, I think that kind of passing off in this context of equity, it is just we’re moving further and further or closer and closer to the society that we want to see that looks right for all of us whose ancestors were forced to this land and you know, we’re fighting for some type of connection to our ancestors and to our original homeland, and so that big context of equity, it does, it does feel big but it also requires us, and for me, it’s been a lot of like, being able to be in spaces like Robert Wood Johnson Culture of Health Leaders.

 

People who live in more progressive places than Mississippi and so then in some conversations, even when I have conversations about equity maybe with other colleagues, it does require me to take a minute to reflect because I still have to address some things within myself and this, you know, we live, breathe in this white supremacist society and so, we still hold on to some of those things, whether that is consciously or unconsciously. 

 

And so, being able to connect with different colleagues and different spaces from different areas that may be a little more progressive than what we, or a lot more progressive than what we see in Mississippi really has helped me to kind of look at equity from a different lens but again, it is. For me, it’s a lot around because I have small children fighting for things in their school. Like, no, why do we need to call this if it’s Veteran’s Day, Patriotic Day? 

 

I won’t let my child participate, you know, those small things in the end, having conversations with my children around why we don’t participate in these things, why we acknowledge things the way that we do is rolling back history lessons. With my kids when they come home, the biggest shock that they get is like the Christopher Columbus conversation. They come home and I have to give them the lowdown. 

 

And my youngest, when he just had his introduction and he was like, “Now, I know that man’s mama didn’t raise him to be like that.” And I was like, “Baby, I don’t know, but…” So, it’s you know, those things that we have to literally embed into our daily lives, our families, that we’re building and creating so that they will take the baton and keep moving forward as our leaders sent to us.

 

[0:15:51.4] JW: As you were talking, one of the things, I remember a conversation you and I had and we were at the two Mississippi museums and I was like, “I’ve actually never been to the two Mississippi museums.” And you were like, “Yeah, go to the civil rights movement, like you got to go.” And I was like, “Okay, I’ll check it out.” Well, I don’t think I told you this but I went over the holiday break. 

 

And when I tell you, I have never had a more immersive experience in history and in Mississippi history and in civil rights Mississippi history than going to the Civil Rights Museum in Mississippi. So, anybody listening, if you ever – if you live in Mississippi or if you traveled to Mississippi, please make sure to go to the Civil Rights Museum at the two Mississippi museums because I was just – 

 

It was, being immersed in the history and really having the experience of seeing how we got to where we are right now and being able – in my mind, to be able to relate that to the equity picture, right? You got to know where we’ve been in order to know where we’re going and to feel and see and just to – and it can be overwhelming.

 

[0:17:13.0] NB: Oh, yeah.

 

[0:17:14.3] JW: It could be overwhelming, there’s a lot of history, a lot of stories. I was telling my dad, because I went with my dad and I was telling him, I was like, “You could literally spend every day, 365, in this museum and learn something new every single day.” And I think the thing that I was most – one of the things that I was most connected with is being able to see myself in my own history in the museum. 

 

Because I actually have a family member who was lynched in Mississippi and in the museum, they have these columns with the names of the people who were lynched, what year they were lynched, and what they were accused of.

 

[0:18:00.8] NB: And the county that they came from.

 

[0:18:03.4] JW: That they came from and sure enough, my family member was up there. It sends chills down your spine to know that this is something that happened. This is something that it’s in my DNA, like this [inaudible 0:18:19.5]

 

[0:18:20.6] NB: Right, we connected to you and you can see it, yeah.

 

[0:18:23.0] JW: I can see it and I’d say spiritually, I can feel it. I can feel that connection and to be able to see the progression and learn some things that I didn’t even know about Mississippi history and Civil Rights history and it motivates me and drives me even more to stay here and do this work.

 

[0:18:47.2] NB: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree. The museum is – I went the first weekend that it opened and you know, I always do – I do try to hold events there if there’s something that I’m holding because especially people coming you know, in the state, they need to see. You know, need to see and understand. I recently did a presentation for a national organization, they were having their board meeting here and that was a part of their equity piece was intentionally coming to Mississippi to experience Mississippi. 

 

And then I was tasked with like putting what – they went to the museum first, spent time there, and then I was tasked with kind of decompressing and well, and connecting it more to maternal health what they experienced and I think that’s important in this equity conversation and then just the historical conversation so it doesn’t get lost when we think about policy, when we think about practice, all those things, the historical component can’t get lost. 

 

[0:19:50.9] JW: And let’s kind of shift gears but kind of staying on the same topic there, maternal health piece, thinking about maternal health specifically in Mississippi and its relationship to health equity, what does that mean specifically for you and how you engage with this work and how you started in this work?

 

[0:20:10.1] NB: Yeah. So, the history precedes my birth because we know that you know, it started much earlier but you know, once we get to digging down into history and start connecting things directly to families and to people, Fannie Lou Hamer is probably one of the biggest examples that we have, her reproductive rights taken without her knowledge and what is always so mind-blowing to me is Miss Hamer was fighting for voter rights. 

 

Like the ability for us to vote and she was doing all this stuff at the national level just to be able to vote but she was still fighting for her reproductive rights and those rights of the women in her community and so like learning about that procedure being done on so many women in Sunflower County not just Miss Hamer, you can’t disconnect it and I, you know, we’ll see pictures and images of these historical figures in black and white. 

 

But it – no, there’s pictures in color but you know, and I always like to try to share the pictures that are in color because black and white will disconnect us from it. Miss Hamer’s daughter just – I think she just died this past year, so you know, that wasn’t so long ago and many of these things happen. We’re just one to two generations removed from them but then it was personal. The maternal health piece was definitely personal. 

 

I’ve had two very unfortunate maternal deaths in my family and then one maternal morbidity or illness, severe illness that led to my nephew not living beyond eight months and so really being able to dig down and look at some of the pieces that were very systemic. So, all of them had health insurance, all of them had advocates, all of them checked America’s boxes but what didn’t happen was like my sister lived in Starkville, which they didn’t have a center or a health center that could handle this. 

 

So, she had to drive to – well, get in an ambulance and come two and a half hours away. My aunt was, her previous provider, he was out on terminal leave because he had terminal cancer, and so she had to just get on a load of another provider, who a white man that did – was not equity-focused or even equality-focused if we want to, you know, bring it all the way back and so like even throughout all of their stories and the things that happened you can see the system at play. 

 

So, my sister will say she had great care. She had great care but there were these subtle things that still you know, came up that we know could be better and could be done better in the systems that we live and work and play in but we also recognize that they were just not designed for our bodies. They were not designed for us and so that’s what really keeps me here on the maternal health piece. 

 

I mean, yeah, a series of unfortunate events for my family but there are so many women that do not have this microphone that I have and so that’s a part of it is making sure that we are able to pass the microphone and center those voices so that it is not my story that’s being told but it’s our stories that are being told and used to advocate for what we need and if you’re not going to give us what we need, we’re going to create it ourselves and that’s the other piece that we’re seeing what’s going on. 

 

We are seeing all these things and many organizations that I work with and some of the work that I am doing myself, we’re like, “All right, you know, this system ain’t going to save us and we know that.” And we have the brain power and we know how to collectively come together to pull resources to create what it is we need and we know that yeah, we’ll never like get out of this system as it is, it stands right now but we can create our own systems and pieces that will help us better navigate those and get the experiences that we deserve. 

[0:24:27.3] JW: And that’s the thing. It’s like we do a whole lot of talking and there’s a time and a place to talk. There’s also – 

 

[0:24:34.6] NB: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

 

[0:24:35.2] JW: Action that needs to be taken in place because, at the end of the day, we got to have a safe place for black women to go through pregnancy and birth and to be able to deliver healthy babies like we need a solution to that. We need to have birth workers and if it’s community health workers or doulas or midwives or doctors or nurses, whoever, to understand this is our unique experience as black women, right? 

 

This is our unique experience as black women in Mississippi like that’s a totally different journey. So, when it comes to things like this, it’s like what is the solution? How do we take action? And like you said, this system ain’t going to save us. At the end of the day, we have to be ready to create those solutions ourselves and be willing, be willing to fight and walk away. I feel like that’s what it means to be a black woman, you are always fighting somebody about something because you got to fight for your rights. You’ve got to fight and it’s so exhausting, that’s the thing, it’s so exhausting. 

 

[0:25:48.8] NB: Oh, yeah, and you were mentioning solutions and we have the solutions. Black women have the solutions and we are – I think so many people like over the last five years, I’m really encouraged by the work of black women when it comes to these solutions and we are also getting to place where like, “All right, you ain’t using my brain power anymore to create your fake solutions.” 

 

You know, like, “Oh, I can’t sit on this and can you? Can I pick your brain? Can you do this and that?” Black women aren’t going for it anymore because you know, we sit on a call for an hour and you have picked our brains and next week you have taken our whole conversation, transcribed it and put it up somewhere, and now you’ve got a million dollars for it and then you double back to us and say, “Okay, well, here is your USD 10,000 and we need you to do all of this work.”

 

We ain’t going for it anymore and I think that’s a part of this too. That is a part of financial security is a big piece of it and being able to in this space say, “No, that money ain’t worth it” or “That one-hour conversation is not worth it” or you know, just redefining what that looks like for ourselves too because you know, I’ve been picked apart and then I’d be mad at myself and so I can’t, no, we can’t do it anymore, you know? 

 

And especially we know how to take care of our own stories and that’s the big part of what we do with our qualitative research. We try to though like if we’re trying to do a focus group, everyone understands that it is research, it’s focus group, what have you but we don’t create a space where everyone feels comfortable, whether that’s virtual or face-to-face. We’re not asking you to comment anywhere and share your story without seeing you. 

 

And I am not having also white sandwiches, we – because I don’t want to go eat no sandwich and that stuff you know, historically and like grants and research projects that you know, people, the funder may say, “No, we got these restrictions on it.” “Okay, well, then you won’t get any data.” Now, you know that’s not us being arrogant in any way but I think it’s so important that we take care of our stories and really just reclaim you know, our own lives and bodies in many different ways, you know? 

 

[0:28:16.2] JW: And when it comes to research, when it comes to equity, when it comes to public health, I’m like it’s protecting my community for me. Like that’s what it boils down to. 

 

[0:28:26.6] NB: Yeah. 

 

[0:28:27.0] JW: Like every decision I make, I try to make it thinking about how is this going to protect my community, am I doing this in a way that’s going to protect my community and all of my experiences over the years I think have really taught me that to engage that way with community and to be willing to say, “I’m not willing to do this activity or collect this data or run this project” or whatever it is, it is not going to be in the best interest of the community. 

 

Because in academia, most of the time the things are done, research is done in the best interest of the academics, not the community. So, we’ve got to have some space to shift and to change that and understand where is our place in protecting the people that we know and that we love. 

 

[0:29:21.4] NB: Yeah, and because that’s our family. That’s our, you know, that’s our community so we are required. I think when you know you are required to do better and I think we’re required to hold people to the flame, especially when it comes to research. I still firmly believe and we’ve talked about this before that any research that’s done about our community should come through the community first. 

 

And if you’re going to do it or list a community-based organization or what have you as a partner, they should be a partner. They should not be on the ground doing all your work for you and reporting these, you know reporting whatever it is back to you so you can write a paper and not all research has that lens but we do see it overwhelmingly, especially in a state like Mississippi, where there’s a lot of money that pours in for research and it has to be done with the community. 

 

So, we were working on a research project – well, focus group project and we typically don’t have a hard time recruiting for you know, these interviews and things like that but we were having a little bit of a challenge and I had to step back and then another group that I was working with who was having the same challenge and I said, “Folks are tired of talking, they’re tired of talking.” And that’s okay. 

 

Figure out another strategy, pull some more research, we got to figure something else out and when we see that, it’s our responsibility to figure out something different. I don’t care what deliverables we put in there, we got to go to the funder and say, “This is not working because of this.” And be comfortable with that and move on. 

 

[0:31:01.2] JW: Yeah, exactly, and being in a place of to be able to make that call, I mean, it can be hard, especially being a black woman. It could be hard to feel like you got to face that entity, that funder, that PI, whoever, but it’s something that has to be done and a big part of that is understanding that in those decisions, you are putting your community first, you’re prioritizing the people who you know and love. 

 

And you are also positioning yourself in your community to not be harmed, number one, but also to be able to position yourself in your community to be in a place to experience some joy and so with that said, I got to ask you this, what brings you joy in your work?

 

[0:31:53.3] NB: So, maybe my answer shouldn’t be complex. I don’t think it’s really complex but I am and I have accepted that I’m a visionary, and so one piece of it is, is creating things. It’s creating things and in that moment of creating and seeing what the possibilities are, and then the second part of that is seeing it come to life, seeing it come to life, and having that moment of exhale. 

 

That’s about the work but the other part of it is when I get messages, just like one little message that say, “We watched the Facebook live that you all had in 2021 and I was able to advocate because of this.” Or, you know, go somewhere. My child’s basketball game and one of the young lady that’s taking the score on the scoreboard has her babysitting right there and I get to pick up the baby.

 

You know, we – because we have connected in this work in some way, seeing the babies and the mamas being happy and healthy like, that is top tier for me, and even if I haven’t interacted with them on the level of work, just seeing a black woman happy and pregnant or happy after giving birth or her, being able to get the type of birth experience that she wants, like, you can’t compare to that. Like, you cannot. 

 

[0:33:16.2] JW: Seeing those results or that outcome in real life like real-time, real action, like, you’re right, there is no better feeling than that.

 

[0:33:27.9] NB: Yeah, we worked with a group of women over the course of like, two years, they all came in and they were pregnant either in their second or third trimester, and by the time we ended, like the babies were walking and moving around and when we would have sessions like the babies are there, we had a set of twins. It was just like okay, despite all the challenges that happened, you know, despite the all the issues that moms faced, that mama, we had some babies. You know, that’s like new life and they’re running around and playing and stuff. So yeah, that’s it for me.

 

[0:34:01.7] JW: Absolutely, and if people want to get in touch with you or learn more about Six Dimensions and the work that you all are doing, how can they get in touch?

 

[0:34:10.7] NB: We are on all social media platforms, except for TikTok at @sixdims. They’re trying to get me to move over to TikTok.

 

[0:34:19.4] JW: I don’t try it, I don’t – 

 

[0:34:21.8] NB: I don’t like to play with TikTok, I haven’t done it.

 

[0:34:23.2] JW: Yeah, I don’t been over there, I don’t really like it so, I stick to Instagram.

 

[0:34:29.9] NB: Oh, I do need to say, we have a 5K walk coming up for Black Maternal Health Week on April 13th in Jackson, Mississippi and we are anticipating it to be an amazing event. We have vendor opportunities available, sponsorship opportunities, the early bird registration fee is rolling now. We’re going to have a family fun day, it’s just going to be a nice big celebration of black maternal health. So, I’m excited about that, and all of that is coming out in our social media as well just incrementally up until the end.

 

[0:35:03.4] JW: All right, so everybody, make sure to check out Six Dimensions and all the amazing work that they are doing. Thank you, Dr. Burse, for joining me on the podcast today and this is going to wrap up another episode of The Public Health Joy Podcast.

 

[0:35:18.8] NB: Thank you.

 

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